tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13177437.post7098497125093844361..comments2024-03-23T01:31:13.502+01:00Comments on Jabal al-Lughat: Drawing water in Songhay and ZenagaLameen Souag الأمين سواقhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00773164776222840428noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13177437.post-38071059949096832302018-06-06T11:47:51.128+02:002018-06-06T11:47:51.128+02:00I agree! So I would be tempted to just say it'...I agree! So I would be tempted to just say it's a funny coincidence.PhoeniXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17627425696035152752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13177437.post-16621379641474985932018-06-05T22:47:40.923+02:002018-06-05T22:47:40.923+02:00Thanks. Detransitivizing doesn't seem to fit h...Thanks. Detransitivizing doesn't seem to fit here if my imagination isn't just too limited.David Marjanovićnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13177437.post-16694471711099983322018-06-05T12:47:40.520+02:002018-06-05T12:47:40.520+02:00@David: Consonantal length usually is just a compl...@David: Consonantal length usually is just a completely different stem. The initial length *might* come from a root-initial consonant *w. This is suggested by the fact that in the causative these forms receive a *u vowel:<br /><br /><i>qqəd</i> 'to burn' > <i>ssuɣəd</i> 'to make burn' (cf. also Ar. <i>waqada</i> 'to burn')<br /><br />But there are rare words where it seems to have a morphological function, and where it does its detransitivizing: <br /><br /><i>ɣrəs</i> ‘to slaughter; to rip’ <i>qqərs</i> ‘be ripped’<br /><i>rəẓ</i> ‘to break’ <i>rəẓẓ</i> 'to be broken'<br /><br />These are the only two words I'm aware of though... So if it ever was productive it certainly lost its productivity.PhoeniXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17627425696035152752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13177437.post-18350774367277534902018-06-04T11:29:02.469+02:002018-06-04T11:29:02.469+02:00-ɣr > zɣr
-> zuɣr
- trainer, entrainer, tire...-ɣr > zɣr<br />-> zuɣr<br />- trainer, entrainer, tirer après soi [tachelhit, tamazight, tarifit, kabyle, Ayt Snus]<br />- ggr, yuggar: tirer [zenaga]<br /><br />to tract - attract [there is a common word in North-Africa for to charm/attract based on the root GR it's arabic translation is ruqqiya]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13177437.post-80339495008640763402018-06-02T00:57:05.660+02:002018-06-02T00:57:05.660+02:00It seems to be distinct from äggur "pull"...<i>It seems to be distinct from </i>äggur<i> "pull".</i><br /><br />Is there any known or hypothesized grammatical function for consonant length or whatever it may be derived from?David Marjanovićnoreply@blogger.com