tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13177437.post6938443581010618962..comments2024-03-23T01:31:13.502+01:00Comments on Jabal al-Lughat: Berber subclassification: Reading Nait-ZerradLameen Souag الأمين سواقhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00773164776222840428noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13177437.post-10006289924383617802016-04-05T10:57:25.763+02:002016-04-05T10:57:25.763+02:00سلام مرحبا
بعد اكتشاف بأدلة علمية قاطعة قرابة ال...سلام مرحبا <br /><br />بعد اكتشاف بأدلة علمية قاطعة قرابة اللغات الامازيغية الى لغة الصنغاي نحن نقترح تصنيف جديد للغات الامازيغية الصنغايية <br /><br /><br />*عائلة لغوية كبرى اسمها عائلة اللغات الامازيغية الصنغايية و تنقسم هذه العائلة الى قسمين رئيسين <br /><br />*القسم الاول جميع اللهجات الامازيغية الشمالية شلوح قبائل شاوية...<br /><br />بل حتى لهجة امازيغ زناكة هي فرع من لهجات امازيغ الشمال رغم وقوعها في جنوب بلاد الأمازيغ <br /><br /><br /><br />القسم الثاني <br /> <br /><br />لهجة امازيغ الطوارق و زنوج الصنغاي و ينقسم هذا الفرع الى قسميين <br /><br /><br />القسم الاول لهجة امازيغ الطوارق و تنقسم الى قسمين <br /><br />القسم الاول تماهاقت تماشاقت تمجاقت تسرتيت <br /><br />القسم الثاني لهجة امازيغ إكدالن و إدكسهاكن و إسواغن و إبلالن <br /><br /><br />القسم الثاني هو لغة زنوج الصنغاي مثل لهجة زرما و لهجة ديندي و كايروبور و غيرها <br /><br />و شكرا <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09518244379081886828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13177437.post-14528791846579678402014-12-02T11:17:50.370+01:002014-12-02T11:17:50.370+01:00> atay
Indeed, *aʔtay! Yes, no one vocabular...> atay <br /><br />Indeed, *aʔtay! Yes, no one vocabulary item can ever be safely used for this - but in sufficient numbers, and with a restriction to high-frequency items, they should be helpful. Of course, with a word like "rabbit", all sorts of other explanations are possible - spread through domestication? different type of rabbit in the mountains?<br /><br />> Siwa and Awjila are on one node<br /><br />Fixed - that was actually an HTML typo, ki for li.<br /><br />> Awjila's ərni <br /><br />Yes, that has to be a Zenati loan - good one.Lameen Souag الأمين سواقhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00773164776222840428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13177437.post-27235803144434332122014-12-02T09:39:36.879+01:002014-12-02T09:39:36.879+01:00In a language family where a late, presumably Dutc...In a language family where a late, presumably Dutch, loanword like <i>atay</i> can essentially be reconstructed for Proto-Berber, I have my doubts that lexical innovations can be used for classification at all.<br /><br />There's quite a few lexical innovations that coincide (more or less) with the Zenatic group. And I would say that that at least corroborates the existence of the group.<br /><br />But more so than other shared innovations, vocabulary is much more prone to be a contact induced innovation.<br /><br />I didn't know about tawtult existing in Kabyle though! Neat.<br /><br />You made a small mistake in your representation of Naït-Zerrad's tree. Siwa and Awjila are on one node, rather than under each other.<br /><br />Another shared innovation between Shilha/Central Morocco/Senhaja/Kabyle/Ghomara (but also Tuareg) is the reflex of <i>adif</i> 'marrow', <i>alim</i> 'hay' and <i>asif</i> versus Zenatic <i>aduf/lum/suf</i>.<br /><br />It's funny that there's this i~u variation, of final əβ which is distributionally almost the exact mirror image of the i~u variation of these three words.<br /><br />---<br /><br />Incidentally I wonder where Naït-Zerrad is getting the data from that Awjila has CCu verbs with a CCu aorist. I'm aware of only one verb attested in Awjila that behaves like a CCu verb in the rest of Berber and that's <i>avən</i> 'to build'. In Awjila it behaves completely as a CCʔ verb.<br /><br />And then there's the funny β reflex in Awjila's <i>ərni</i> 'to increase' instead of the expected <i>**ərnəv</i>. I wonder if that is a inter-berber borrowing from something Zenatic.PhoeniXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17627425696035152752noreply@blogger.com